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Overview
On this episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast I talk with Gina London. She’s an Emmy-winning former CNN correspondent, CEO of Language of Leadership, and author of Amplify You: How to Connect More Powerfully in an AI World. AI can draft your pitch and polish your deck, but you still have to walk into the room, hold eye contact and earn the trust of the person deciding whether to hire you. That moment now carries more of the weight in who wins the business.
Gina walks through her Say It, Look It, Be It approach to executive presence. It starts with how you talk to yourself and moves out to your voice, your pacing, your facial expression and your body language. We get into why an audience believes whichever signal doesn’t match, how to prepare for a one-on-one discovery call by thinking about the person before the message, and what to do with the nerves that show up when you don’t know where to put your hands.
We also talk about the risk of handing all your writing to AI, especially for younger professionals who haven’t built that muscle yet. And she explains why any AI-drafted script should be read out loud before it goes anywhere near an audience. This one is for small business owners, consultants and leaders who pitch, present and sell, and who want to come across as well in person as they do on paper.
About the guest
Gina London is an Emmy-winning former CNN correspondent and the CEO of Language of Leadership, where she advises executives and boards on executive presence and influence. Her clients include Salesforce, SAP, Merck and PwC. London grew up in a small town in Indiana and has lived in Ireland for ten years. She writes a weekly leadership column from her home base in Dublin. Her new book is Amplify You: How to Connect More Powerfully in an AI World.
Key takeaways
- The more AI handles the written prep, the more the in-person moment decides who wins the business.
- Writing works like a muscle. Using AI for a casual email is fine, but keep doing your own substantial writing so the skill doesn’t fade.
- Firms that use AI in place of junior staff will have a succession problem. Someone still has to learn how to collaborate, lead and handle a difficult feedback conversation.
- Say It starts with self-talk, because the person you speak to most is the voice inside your own head.
- Your voice is an instrument. You can choose your pacing, your emphasis and whether you sound authoritative or warm.
- When your words and your face don’t match, people trust the mismatch. Practice an engaged expression the same way you practice your content.
- Before a sales call or presentation, use London’s three-part prep: audience, intent and message. Think about the person’s hopes and fears, settle on one narrow goal, and only then write what you’ll say.
- When there are several decision makers in the room, name each one and the issue they care about. Get known objections on the table early.
- A lot of nerves come from not knowing what to do with your face, hands and posture. Rehearsing those details leaves more of your attention for reading the room.
- Record yourself on your phone for thirty seconds a day, and read every AI-drafted script out loud before you deliver it.
Great moments
- [00:27] John introduces Gina London and her new book, Amplify You
- [01:16] Growing up in small-town Indiana and learning to take control of your voice
- [02:17] The moment London realized senior executives needed communication coaching
- [03:43] Why we’re at an inflection point in how much we let AI speak for us
- [05:25] Treating writing like a muscle that weakens when you stop using it
- [06:15] The attorney’s question: if AI replaces junior staff, who becomes partner?
- [07:25] The Say It, Look It, Be It approach
- [08:54] A board presenter whose face didn’t match her message
- [11:18] Applying the approach to a one-on-one discovery call
- [12:47] The dinner server who only talked to John, and how to avoid losing part of the room
- [14:40] Where public speaking nerves come from and how to use them
- [16:39] Breaking years of ingrained communication habits
- [17:24] The CEO who refused to do “happy clappy” until he saw himself on video
- [19:05] Thirty seconds a day on camera
- [19:27] When an AI-written script backfires
- [20:56] Where to find Gina London and Amplify You
Memorable quotes
“The first person you need to be able to speak more intentionally to is yourself, because that’s the one that you’re talking to the most inside your head.”
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“We’re great at reading. We’re not so good at delivering.”
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“Before you’re thinking about what you want to say, think about to whom you are speaking.”
London
“I still feel a bit of nerves and anxiety because that means I care and I want it to connect.”
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“It’s a developable skill like anything else.”
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